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[i]2012.04.25 09:56:14 scc-lounge <Kidon Meier> and esoteric conversations along lines of one being better that someone else I have stayed away from, as each person (in my opinion) will attack the problematics from his or her's unique perspective
[i]2012.04.25 09:56:15 +1s scc-lounge <Avensys> http://dresdencodak.com/2006/12/03/dungeons-and-discourse/
[i]2012.04.25 09:56:44 +29s scc-lounge <Slavemaster> Kant was more of a basemnet Nerd. hehe :D
[i]2012.04.25 09:56:48 +4s scc-lounge <Mila Chancel> hehe
[i]2012.04.25 09:56:50 +2s scc-lounge <Creeco> nietzsche realized the famous words of Trooper were true
[i]2012.04.25 09:57:16 +26s scc-lounge <Creeco> "We're here for a good time, not a long time. So have a good time the sun can't shine every day"
[i]2012.04.25 09:57:43 +27s scc-lounge <Creeco> that said I hate trooper too
[i]2012.04.25 09:57:51 +8s scc-lounge <Creeco> no good canadians
[i]2012.04.25 10:02:00 +249s scc-lounge <Slavemaster> The funny thing, or so i belive is that if Kant watched matrix, and was asked to you belive this?
[i]2012.04.25 10:02:31 +31s scc-lounge <Slavemaster> He whould say: I does not matter. All that matters is that its true because i can see it
[i]2012.04.25 10:02:38 +7s scc-lounge <Slavemaster> There you go
[i]2012.04.25 10:03:49 +71s scc-lounge <Slavemaster> So, it does not matter if the world is fake or not.
[i]2012.04.25 10:04:00 +11s scc-lounge <Mila Chancel> very post-modernist
[i]2012.04.25 10:04:06 +6s scc-lounge <Slavemaster> What you eyes tells you is the truth, only that
[i]2012.04.25 10:04:10 +4s scc-lounge <Slavemaster> lol yes
[i]2012.04.25 10:04:40 +30s scc-lounge <Mila Chancel> I got into an argument in social geography because of post modernism... the whole "A building does not exist until we agree that it does"
[i]2012.04.25 10:04:52 +12s scc-lounge <Slavemaster> worng
[i]2012.04.25 10:05:04 +12s scc-lounge <Slavemaster> If you see it, its all that matters :)
[i]2012.04.25 10:05:18 +14s scc-lounge <Slavemaster> What your friend does, who cares..
[i]2012.04.25 10:05:29 +11s scc-lounge <Mila Chancel> I told them "look, we can all agree that it is a coconut tree on a sandy beach, that does not mean it will drop coconuts on the floor around us"
[i]2012.04.25 10:06:05 +36s scc-lounge <Mila Chancel> As the only non social science/humanities student in the class, I had a lot of those arguments ^^
[i]2012.04.25 10:06:45 +40s scc-lounge <Avensys> I doubt the lecturer was asking you to lie to yourselves^^
[i]2012.04.25 10:07:07 +22s scc-lounge <Mila Chancel> You should read some of the social geography stuff...it is full of that sort of thinking
[i]2012.04.25 10:07:07 +0s scc-lounge <Avensys> more like "what if you see one thing and everybody else sees something different?"
[i]2012.04.25 10:07:26 +19s scc-lounge <Avensys> and in that case maybe going by the majority agreement might be sensible
[i]2012.04.25 10:08:55 +89s scc-lounge <Slavemaster> The only refrence is yourself. Kant
[i]2012.04.25 10:08:55 +0s scc-lounge <Avensys> because you can't really be sure that your own mental faculties are intact, can you?
[i]2012.04.25 10:10:02 +67s scc-lounge <Mila Chancel> No, the line in the journal is "A building does not exist until we agree that it does"....I argued that whilst a hospital is not a hospital until it has doctors etc, it is nonetheless a building still
[i]2012.04.25 10:10:03 +1s scc-lounge <Avensys> "a building" as in an actual building or as in the concept of a building?
[i]2012.04.25 10:10:04 +1s scc-lounge <Avensys> maybe there is no idea of a building that exists seperateiy of us humans
[i]2012.04.25 10:10:05 +1s scc-lounge <Slavemaster> Acording + Bishop Berkley Kant if matter exist or not dont matter.
[i]2012.04.25 10:10:06 +1s scc-lounge <Avensys> so we have to create that concept first and agree on it for its use to make any sense
[i]2012.04.25 10:10:06 +0s scc-lounge <Mila Chancel> yes, it is was a paper with Actor Network Theory and Transhuman ideas in it....both of which I find really wierd to get my head around
[i]2012.04.25 10:10:06 +0s scc-lounge <Slavemaster> hehe I?ll try again
[i]2012.04.25 10:10:06 +0s scc-lounge <Mila Chancel> This is why I stick to physical sciences ^^ much easier :p
[i]2012.04.25 10:10:07 +1s scc-lounge <Creeco> I'm not sure if I'm ready for a human hivemind
[i]2012.04.25 10:10:14 +7s scc-lounge <Avensys> whatcouldpossiblygowrong
[i]2012.04.25 10:10:27 +13s scc-lounge <Creeco> I am ready for robotic bodies and an immortal computer brain
[i]2012.04.25 10:10:38 +11s scc-lounge <Creeco> bring on the singularity
[i]2012.04.25 10:10:46 +8s scc-lounge <Slavemaster> Acording to Bishop Berkley + Kant. If matter exist or not. And if you follow the rules if nature, that the simple solution is the best. Then....
[i]2012.04.25 10:10:47 +1s scc-lounge <Avald Aldard> Creeco I am ready for that as well:D
[i]2012.04.25 10:10:58 +11s scc-lounge <Mila Chancel> I did agree that something might not exist, from a personal perspective, until you notice it.....like when you suddenly see a building that you didnt notice before on a journey you take every day
[i]2012.04.25 10:11:05 +7s scc-lounge <Slavemaster> The lasws of physic workd better withoiut matter
[i]2012.04.25 10:11:20 +15s scc-lounge <Avensys> @mila but how do you know it's a "building"?
[i]2012.04.25 10:11:39 +19s scc-lounge <Avensys> I mean the concept of a building has to get into your mind somehow
[i]2012.04.25 10:11:59 +20s scc-lounge <Mila Chancel> Ok, let me use a better example.....if I never notice the sound of the birds in the morning, does that mean they do not exist until I do?
[i]2012.04.25 10:12:02 +3s scc-lounge <Avensys> one possibility is that the concept has existed forever and you just happened to discover it
[i]2012.04.25 10:12:20 +18s scc-lounge <Creeco> if a tree falls in the woods, does anyone give a shit?
[i]2012.04.25 10:12:32 +12s scc-lounge <Mila Chancel> only if they are standing under it :p
[i]2012.04.25 10:12:38 +6s scc-lounge <Avensys> @mila my answer would be you cannot know
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